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Is Joe gaining traction with Dual Survival viewers?

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A greater number of positive Huliq commenters came to Joe's defense after last week's episode of Dual Survival; will that fan base continue to grow this season?

It’s another week on the Discovery Channel’s Dual Survival; how are fans settling in with the new partnership of Cody and Joe?

Huliq readers continue to debate the new dynamic in the partnership, and many are still wary of the more military, less survivalist feel of the episodes thus far. Last week’s episode gave fans a chance to see Joe “take point” in the South African bush, but some fans did not necessarily react as Discovery may have hoped. Fans of the show commented on Huliq article, “Joe ‘takes point’ in South African bush, Dual Survival fans react,” and they were blunt:

Reader Pipip thought Joe was, well, not such a nice guy, saying, “Joe is just mean. And for all his military training, he couldn't even kill a catfish. Cody had to do it.”

But, other fans liked what they saw, such as non-embellishing veteran, who disagreed with the negative reviews, saying, “I can actually watch this show now. It's far better with Cody & Joe! I've always liked Cody but I somehow had a feeling when Dave spoke he was just full of crap...guess I was right! Keep up the good work guys, hoo-yah!!”

Fans Liking What They See?

Reader Kate said she liked the look of the new host: “I thought last night's show was excellent....especially when Joe took off his shirt...what a chest!!!!”

But, others, like commenter magman, thought the obvious attempt to pull in female viewers via Joe’s manly attributes was rather cheesy: “It's good to see that Joe was allowed to go back to the Travel Lodge at night in order to shave his belly.... Is there nothing about this man that is not embarrassing??”

New Viewers in the Mix

One anonymous commenter thought the naysayers would keep watching, along with new fans who will enjoy the military vibe now going on with the show: “It seems because of Joe's background he seems to be picking up more fans that are ex or still military. Those people that want to blast the show are still going to watch so they can blast the show, meanwhile Joe will add to the fan base.”

Reader Archer, however, appeared to believe that what Discovery may be gaining in new viewers, it is losing in loyal fans: “Picking up new fans perhaps, but he's driving out the old ones by the drove. As a long time TV watcher I know full well that problems that arise from suddenly changing out a character or actor. Fans are resistant to change yes, but there are other factors at work here in this case.”

Is Support for Joe Growing Overall?

So, while there are still negative comments to be sure, fans who support the change, or who are at least still open to the possibilities of the new season, are beginning to trickle in with their support. Will that support continue to grow as the season goes forward? Tonight, fans will again see more of Joe in the spotlight, according to Discovery Channel’s description of tonight’s episode:

Deep in New Mexico's Chihuahuan Desert, Joe struggles to get out of an abandoned mineshaft. A deadly western diamondback rattlesnake becomes dinner, and a maggot-infested cow carcass puts the team's opposing survival tactics to the test.

Stay tuned.

Dual Survival airs on the Discovery Channel on Tuesday nights at 9/8c.

UPDATED: Did Cody, Joe turn trust-building corner in Hawaii?

Image: Discovery Channel

Video: Discovery Channel/Dual Survival


Submitted by Max (not verified) on
Joe seemed a little too aggressive with his stance on getting out of the poacher’s zone as quickly as possible. While speed is important, it would be reckless to leave behind evidence for others to track. Some of my DISH coworkers thought it was funny that for all his training Joe couldn’t spear the fish, but it took an old fashioned clubbing to bring it down. I’m one of the new viewers since I saw this episode because I saw it on my DISH Hopper What’s Hot feature. I was thumbing through the reality shows that were trending and Dual Survival was nearly on top of the list, so I set a timer for episodes, and now I really want to catch up with the series!

Submitted by Loyal Viewer (not verified) on
I love Dual Survivor! Seen every episode live and watch reruns over and over. Its like comfort food (haha) just nice to sit and watch and learn. BUT, I am having trouble stomaching the new guy. He is just difficult to watch. Abrasive, cocky, know it all, close-minded, stubborn & argumentative. The "feel" of the show just isn't right anymore. It's like watching domestic violence with a controling, overbearing husband. I find myself cringing. I miss the pleasant, cooperative, teaching while entertaining show I fell in love with. I tried to remain loyal, but I gave up and changed the channel during the "you take point in the desert" scene. Nobody wants to watch a bully mumbling under his breath because he doesn't get his way.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
While I was disappointed at first by Dave leaving the show the addition of Joe is a priceless view inside the thinking of our nations Special Forces. It is clearly stated he was in the 1 percent of our military.....1 percent - that's badass. Many may not agree with him but you are getting a free window into what our Special Forces soldiers wold do in the situations he's placed in.Enjoy the show for that alone. I've read every comment everyone has left has left judging Joe's decision making. He's in the 1 percent & and you're still just a keyboard commando :D

Submitted by geosmdavic (not verified) on
That'sa new one. So we are getting a free look eh? Let me tell you what I see.. I see a guy who has no clue about survival next to Dave. He is fake. Bad actor. And the only free window I see is Joe running around with bad hand signals and his shirt open. If joe was a real special ops , then he did his bit for god and country. And I have said this many times in my post I mean no disrespect to the military or anyone who fights for this country.. I uncle was a sniper in the marines ... I didn't get to know him very well cause he died when I was very young.. But my father said SF guy never act like joe.. You want to meet a true hero meet one of those guys... I shake a the hand of one of our military heros every chance I get when I see them.. That's getting a free window.. Not joe!!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Well said. Anyone who has been around true spec ops would see this guy as bogus - Discovery should be ashamed. I remember when I was finally able to get cable and couldn't wait to be able to view Discovery and the History Channel on a regular basis. For those of you too young to remember those times both those channels used to actually be credible, educational and entertaining. Now they are none of those by any stretch of the imagination.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
Well said. Anyone who has been around true spec ops would see this guy as bogus - Discovery should be ashamed. I remember when I was finally able to get cable and couldn't wait to be able to view Discovery and the History Channel on a regular basis. For those of you too young to remember those times both those channels used to actually be credible, educational and entertaining. Now they are none of those by any stretch of the imagination.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
No, the only fake was Dave. You know, the guy that admitted he lied aout his military record/accomplishments after people started asking questions. Yeah, the guy you think is so great, Dave Cantury. Who cares if your uncle was a sniper? Do you think that adds to the credibility of your post? Joe is a true hero you numbskull, not many have done in Iraq and afghanistan,like Joe Teti. His service record speaks for itself.

Submitted by Archer (not verified) on
Okay, lets take your side of the argument for a spin. Lets say for a moment Joe is the real deal, one of the top 1% of the nations armed forces. Show of hands, how many people here are in the top 1% of the nations armed forces, OR at least in the same physical condition as one would be? Think back to when Dave was on the show however. He did a few dumb things here and there true, but aside from wrestling with a gator, everything he did was easily doable by an overweight teen. Nothing he did required extensive military training of average/above average physical condition. I couldnt do half of the stuff Joe has shown since he took up Dave's empty spot. The things he has done so far I COULD duplicate I wouldnt have the nerve or the stomach to do. So, yes, Dave was a liar, he lied about his past, he lied about his exact training. But at least the things he taught us and displayed could be done by an average person. Joe? Not so much. This IS a tv show, so entertainment is going to play a role in what is shown. BUT this is suppose to be a show about pratical survival skills and techniques the average person could use if they were faced with one of the scenaro;s shown. Joe has displayed little if any. So, rather than focus completly on who was honest and who lied about their past, focus on who was/is actually doing their JOB. Cody/Dave/Joe are suppose to be TEACHERS, they are INSTRUCTORS for the viewers to LEARN. If a teacher fails to pass the knowldge they have to their students, they get fired because they have failed to do their job. Now, I'll wrap this up with a question. Would you rather have a teacher with the proper deploma's and lincenses, or a teacher that can actually teach you? Think about that the next time your taking a test.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on
You say Joe hasn't taught us anything or more precisely doesn't use the teaching style Dave the imposter has. OK, so what? You are looking to be taught in a particular way where I can make they argument that Joe has taught the viewers valuable skills. Joe sheds light into an ultrawarrior mindset. Doing what it takes to get the job done. I didn't see Cody going UP in elevation to get water despite how important water is in a survival situation. Joe did it. Here is the major difference. Joe has extreme self discipline and what Joe does is application of fundamentals in a stressful situation. That's what separates the men from the boys. There is no magic. It is application of the fundamentals under stress. Most will panic and forget the basics. You talk about being a teacher....Green Berets are force multipliers. Trust me Joe can Teach. What you are correct on is that this show is entertainment and ultimately the cast will be portrayed exactly how the producers and those who edit want it to come out. To answer your loaded question.....I'd have greater faith in someone with Joes credentials than Cody's. The will to survive exceeds the skills to survive. Ask any POW.

Submitted by Archer (not verified) on
Teaching through showing what to do and how to do it is what this show is suppose to be doing. But so far we have havent seen Joe actually do that. My point has nothing to do with style of teaching or what one person would prefer to have for a teacher, its focused on actually teaching. Remember back early in the series when Cody showed how to use a wool sock to easily catch an eel? That was very clever, very easy, but even more important was Cody taking the time to show what to do, how it worked, and why it worked. The mechanics of the technique. Likewise when they were stuck in one of the various forest (they all sort of blend together after a point) Dave showed how you could make improvised arrow heads from a glass beer bottle. From start to finish, from using a rock to carve the breaking line you want to use to how you fit the improvised head into a shaft designed to take standard mass produced arrow heads, and even how to make fletching from duck tape. Now what did Joe show us? How to takle a pig and stab it to death. Really, look up 'feral hogs' on youtube or even watch some of Discover channel's other programming to see how dangrous this really is. My basic point however is that while we have seen Joe DOING plenty, he hasnt at any point (Art of Self not counting) explained WHAT he is doing, why he is doing it, and HOW to do it. I cant learn how to do something if I'm not told or shown the steps in the process or at least given a brief lesson in what I'm doing. This show is suppose to actually teach viewers, you dont teach someone anything by just doing it and having them watch you, not unless they are *very* observent and have decent skills in visual detective work. So I stand by what I said before, Joe hasnt taught us anything so far. I havent seen him sit down and explain how to do anything so far. Lastly, trust me dude/dudette credentials are little more than fancy (and in many cases expensive) pieces of paper. Just because someone has the credentials for something doesnt mean they can teach it well, it just means THEY have an understanding and grasp of the subject. Ask anyone thats spent a few years in collage/apprentice programs, not all teachers can actually teach. I'm not going to argue that Joe isnt military, I'm not going to argue on the grounds of his credentials being through and through valid and accurate, I'm not even going to argue on the grounds of Joe's capabilities or skills when it comes to survival. I WILL however argue about his ability to take that knowldge and teach it to others. Not every person is a good teacher. The best trainers and coaches in the world are RARELY athletes themselves. Is the will to survive important? Duh, yes. Can you actually teach that to someone? Nope. Not to mention the fact that this show is, again, suppose to be about how to survive the wilderness and mother nature, not a POW camp or endure torture and interogation. Even if that WAS the point of the show however I would stand by my claim, Joe can DO plenty, he has shown that, no questions asked. But as an instructor and a teacher he's not doing a very good job.


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